Hillary bounces back
November 16, 2007
She did well in Thursday night’s debate, winning by a mile I’d say, partly because it was evidently a pro-Clinton crowd. Her bad performance in Philadelphia is, for the moment anyway, expunged. Her best (if not new) one-liner was to say, in reply to a question about her campaign’s playing of the gender card, that she was being attacked not because she was a woman but because she was ahead. Good stuff, and it drew cheers. (The biggest of the night, I think, except for the refusal to countenance merit pay for teachers. Avoiding that is apparently a top priority in Las Vegas, along with prompt withdrawal from Iraq.) She looked relaxed and once more in charge.
Obama at one point had the crowd laughing at him, and at another Edwards was actually booed. The laughs came when Obama–incredibly–made a complete mess of the question that threw Hillary in the previous debate. The candidates were asked whether they were in favour of driver’s licences for illegal immigrants, yes or no. In the previous debate Hillary waffled this way and that and in the end refused to answer. She was punished for that in the debate and then again by the media: how like her to squirm and evade. In this debate, she simply said she was not in favour: one word, "No." So Obama decided to fill the vacuum by failing to answer the question, at length, three or four times–just like Hillary last time. Remarkable. Asked yet again, "are you in favour?" his answer was: "Yes. [Pause.] But…", at which part of the crowd cracked up. So much for "Clear Answers To Tough Questions", which I think was supposed to be his theme for the evening. (Incidentally, Kucinich had a novel view on the subject of illegal immigrants: there is no such thing. We must all say "undocumented workers" instead. Problem solved.)
Richardson gave the best answer to the driver’s licence question. He said he was in favour of granting them, had done so as governor of New Mexico, and explained why. His reasons seemed quite sensible, albeit politically unsellable. On a different question Richardson slit his other wrist, and gave an answer that was the worst of the night on every measure. "Which comes first, national security, or human rights [in Pakistan]?" He himself had prompted the question, I think by getting a bit muddled in an earlier answer. Wolf Blitzer pounced, demanding clarification, and instead of correcting himself, Richardson dug himself in. Human rights come first, national security second. I think I heard one person clapping. I almost joined in out of sympathy. Imagine taking that position into the general election. Well, no need, obviously.
What turned the crowd against Edwards was his answer on the "gender card" question. There’s nothing personal about my attacks on Hillary, he said, before going on to accuse her of representing all that was most foul about the Washington political scene. He might have carried a different crowd, I expect, but not this one. They did not like it. Hillary hit back by accusing him of playing the Republicans’ game. Applause.
Also notable: Hillary scored points against both Obama and Edwards on health care. She pointed out that Obama’s plan, unlike hers, does not provide fully universal coverage. Obama replied that hers does not either, since her individual mandate is not really enforceable. That was true but he was hesitant and ineffective. Hillary’s plan at least sets out to be universal. And in case Obama might be planning to adjust his policy, she also managed to remind the audience that back in 2004, Edwards had not been for universal coverage–but she said she was pleased he had changed his mind and now agreed with her.
I don’t know whether these debates matter. They shouldn’t. The whole circus is ridiculous. But if they do, Hillary won. A sympathetic audience makes all the difference–but still, it was an impressive performance.
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The first three sentences of Mr. Crook’s final paragraph say it all. There has been very little discussion in the debates (aside from John Edwards’ comments about corporate influence) and almost none at all in the media, about the real issues facing America, namely the loss of our freedom, the militarization of our society, the control of the media and the economy by powerful business interests that stifles most discussion and dissent (with the welcome exception of Keith Olbermann, a genuine American hero, on MSNBC), and the scapegoating of minority immigrants to divert attention away from the loss of our democracy, and the redistribution of wealth away from the poor and middle class to the very rich.
The presidential campaigns, which, once upon a time, used to include discussions of substantive issues, now resemble glorified Miss America contests. In that regard, I suppose, Hillary Clinton might be said to have something of a gender advantage.
Posted by: Roger Algase | November 16th, 2007 at 7:09 pm | Report this commentHurray for Mr. Algase. These debates are the equivalent of an ad for fast food or erectile
Posted by: Clyde Jorgensen | November 16th, 2007 at 8:58 pm | Report this commentdysfunction. Nothing of substance can be debated or
discussed, if for no other reason than commercial
time limits. As Mr Crook said, “The whole circus
is ridiculous.”
As a child I would cry when one of the “good guys” died in a TV show. But then I realized that the good guy was really an actor who when the director said “cut”, got up from his death and went on enjoying life. The actor’s real life and real thoughts had nothing to do with his performance. The actor can bring out your emotions and can move you.
The “debates” (unlike those of Lincoln-Douglas) are actors as on TV or in the movies acting to move us with emotions and not with intellect. After they affect their positions they then return to their real lives and their real thoughts. Better it would be to list in black and white their positions on issues and their actual records and compare one candidate against another. without these side shows. But I am afraid we, as a nation, will elect the best actor.
Posted by: Joseph Lukesh | November 18th, 2007 at 4:00 pm | Report this commentI concur with the 1st brillian comment entirely, except, it appears:
Hillary should be theoretically in jail or at least not in the run at all, just watch these two videos from YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw and
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related titled:
The Shocking Video Hillary Does NOT Want You To See!
Posted by: Anon | November 18th, 2007 at 4:43 pm | Report this commentSounds similar to what brought down Lord Browne except for on a much more innocuous level in Browne’s case…
There should be a break from the Houses of Bush and Clinton - common sense!