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	<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by BA Johnston, 61, sole proprietor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator>BA Johnston, 61, sole proprietor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that the responses pro-grammar are by older(seasoned, experienced) people.The ones excusing poor grammar are a younger generation. Hmmm. Is this progress? If the language is important for communication, there have to be certain standards. Otherwise, we will lose all ability to understand one another as the language ''evolves''.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that the responses pro-grammar are by older(seasoned, experienced) people.The ones excusing poor grammar are a younger generation. Hmmm. Is this progress? If the language is important for communication, there have to be certain standards. Otherwise, we will lose all ability to understand one another as the language &#8221;evolves&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by Investor, male, 51</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>Investor, male, 51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2115</guid>
		<description>Fellow global citizens,


Martin Lukes, now a convicted criminal, was challenged by the English language but managed to become CEO of a major Fortune 500 company.   His collaborator, Lucy Kellaway, is apparently very language proficient but remains a journalist with the FT.

Let's be very clear here about causality: was it because Lukes was a male, and destined to be successfully convicted or because Kellaway was female (and destined to fail)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellow global citizens,</p>
<p>Martin Lukes, now a convicted criminal, was challenged by the English language but managed to become CEO of a major Fortune 500 company.   His collaborator, Lucy Kellaway, is apparently very language proficient but remains a journalist with the FT.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be very clear here about causality: was it because Lukes was a male, and destined to be successfully convicted or because Kellaway was female (and destined to fail)?</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by Director, 44, Female</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2114</link>
		<dc:creator>Director, 44, Female</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2114</guid>
		<description>I currently know three people who have problems with spelling. One is a Managing Director and one an Operations Manager, both of whom have dyslexia. They both know they have problems with spelling. As they know that I will be non-judgmental they both ask me to glance over any important communications. However, day to day emails with spelling mistakes do slip through. Interestingly, both of these people are highly respected for the people they are and for what they do. Clients who know and have met them do not seem to censure them for their grammar.

On the other hand, I have worked with a Managing Director who is not dyslexic but has appalling spelling. This is aggravated when he flies into one of his many rages and fails to read the email he is sending out before he hits the 'send' button. Known behind his back as "The Keyboard Warrior" he also uses email as a political weapon, copying in other directors as a form of intimidation. Unlike my two dyslexic colleagues, he is not admired, being a bully and pretty incompetent at his job. In this case his poor spelling is a constant amusement to his colleagues and none of his customers nor suppliers like him anyway.

So even clients can see beyond the spelling to the person beyond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently know three people who have problems with spelling. One is a Managing Director and one an Operations Manager, both of whom have dyslexia. They both know they have problems with spelling. As they know that I will be non-judgmental they both ask me to glance over any important communications. However, day to day emails with spelling mistakes do slip through. Interestingly, both of these people are highly respected for the people they are and for what they do. Clients who know and have met them do not seem to censure them for their grammar.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I have worked with a Managing Director who is not dyslexic but has appalling spelling. This is aggravated when he flies into one of his many rages and fails to read the email he is sending out before he hits the &#8217;send&#8217; button. Known behind his back as &#8220;The Keyboard Warrior&#8221; he also uses email as a political weapon, copying in other directors as a form of intimidation. Unlike my two dyslexic colleagues, he is not admired, being a bully and pretty incompetent at his job. In this case his poor spelling is a constant amusement to his colleagues and none of his customers nor suppliers like him anyway.</p>
<p>So even clients can see beyond the spelling to the person beyond.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by Mister Too Many Languages</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2112</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Too Many Languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 06:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2112</guid>
		<description>Wow, since when was it a requirement to be literate and be an MBA graduate? The concept even sounds oxymoronic. I mean do these graduates like other social sciences masters programs have to craft a 7-150 page document thesis of any kind pulling from financial, economic and risk aversion prior publications and cite relevant references to become lettered MBAs?

I always thought MBA programs were no more than how to chat your way into and through a contract negotiation with little brief overviews of varying aspects of the business environment paradigms of current.

At any rate, it could be that this person is a non-english as first language speaker or has trouble with train of thought thinking and slow fingers getting it composed properly or it could be the underlying discipline and training?  In other words, what are the credentials under the MBA?  Did that course work require massive amounts of writing or not? Did his MBA program require writing projects?

There are too many unknowns to correctly assess the proper course to take given the descriptive above.

P.S. A review of any number of online blogs points out that there are thousands of us folks online whose writing skills are not deemed to be up to par whether native english speakers or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, since when was it a requirement to be literate and be an MBA graduate? The concept even sounds oxymoronic. I mean do these graduates like other social sciences masters programs have to craft a 7-150 page document thesis of any kind pulling from financial, economic and risk aversion prior publications and cite relevant references to become lettered MBAs?</p>
<p>I always thought MBA programs were no more than how to chat your way into and through a contract negotiation with little brief overviews of varying aspects of the business environment paradigms of current.</p>
<p>At any rate, it could be that this person is a non-english as first language speaker or has trouble with train of thought thinking and slow fingers getting it composed properly or it could be the underlying discipline and training?  In other words, what are the credentials under the MBA?  Did that course work require massive amounts of writing or not? Did his MBA program require writing projects?</p>
<p>There are too many unknowns to correctly assess the proper course to take given the descriptive above.</p>
<p>P.S. A review of any number of online blogs points out that there are thousands of us folks online whose writing skills are not deemed to be up to par whether native english speakers or not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by Investor, male, 51</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2111</link>
		<dc:creator>Investor, male, 51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One partner is full of bluster and takes himself too seriously; the other likes to compose tidy emails.  Many successful marriages have started with less than this.  If you can work out a division of labor--you handle correspondence while he handles sales--the courtship, or due diligence, will not have been in vain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One partner is full of bluster and takes himself too seriously; the other likes to compose tidy emails.  Many successful marriages have started with less than this.  If you can work out a division of labor&#8211;you handle correspondence while he handles sales&#8211;the courtship, or due diligence, will not have been in vain.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by Mr T, Director</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2109</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr T, Director</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2109</guid>
		<description>If this is a real issue for you, have IT enforce spell checker on the system for all employees and get back to your retirement, which is the likely reason for your merger. You have cashed out now so let someone, who clearly knows what they are doing (as per due dil), get on with funding your pension. good luck and enjoy the fruits of your labour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is a real issue for you, have IT enforce spell checker on the system for all employees and get back to your retirement, which is the likely reason for your merger. You have cashed out now so let someone, who clearly knows what they are doing (as per due dil), get on with funding your pension. good luck and enjoy the fruits of your labour.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by Greg 43 male website developer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2108</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg 43 male website developer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2108</guid>
		<description>Oi! Grandad! This is 2008 not 1908!English is a living language that's constantly evolving, like a successful business does.....
And. We didn't merge, I took you over!
Why dont YOU go and paint water colours in Umbria or something, you old fogey, instead of bleating to the FT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oi! Grandad! This is 2008 not 1908!English is a living language that&#8217;s constantly evolving, like a successful business does&#8230;..<br />
And. We didn&#8217;t merge, I took you over!<br />
Why dont YOU go and paint water colours in Umbria or something, you old fogey, instead of bleating to the FT!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by Tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2106</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 11:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had the same problem with some employees and I regret to tell you that I have never been able to help them. Even worse, I have found that those with poor spelling and grammar deliberately make their handwriting illegible to hide errors. I have suggested that they become avid readers only to be totally ignored. Every approach on the subject has been met with stony silence. 
You have to shunt the offending employee somewhere that doesn't involve written communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had the same problem with some employees and I regret to tell you that I have never been able to help them. Even worse, I have found that those with poor spelling and grammar deliberately make their handwriting illegible to hide errors. I have suggested that they become avid readers only to be totally ignored. Every approach on the subject has been met with stony silence.<br />
You have to shunt the offending employee somewhere that doesn&#8217;t involve written communication.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by Richard, language school director, Slovakia, 30</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2103</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard, language school director, Slovakia, 30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Occasionally I am asked by students why it's necessary to use "a" and "the" at all. In 2 years of marriage to a Slavic woman (Slavic languages don't have "a" or "the") there has only been one misunderstanding when she said "put vodka for my father in bag" (no that isn't made up) and I went to get a new bag from the kitchen instead of putting the vodka in the bag she had already started putting things in. I think it's disingenous to say that our negative reaction to bad grammar is simply because the meaning isn't clear because that is so rarely the case.

The real issue is that we as the circle of people who are able to use English correctly (or the particular official language in other countries) hold a membership card for the trade union of "broadly educated people". That trade union operates (unconsciously) as a mafia which controls everthing and we members get annoyed when we see non-members doing jobs other than cleaning the floor. We should get annoyed too, considering that our children will one day be card holders regardless of their actual level of educational achievement and will need to have good jobs reserved and waiting, and not open to just literally everyone who has the particular (say) technical expertise as if we lived in some kind of bizarre nightmare meritocracy.

Your clients are likely to be members in most cases so these emails will certainly annoy them. The extent to which this is a problem will depend on your firm. If you have genuinely innovative ideas then it's less of a problem. If you are mostly hand-holding and collating the wisdom of others (nothing to be ashamed of as it probably provides more value to your clients than coming up with new things) then it's a bigger problem because you can be more easily replaced. If the CEO has made it as a consultant already despite the presentational problem then presumably he has unique skills.

Also I note that you are 62, which means that you studied primary school English at a time when linguists and teachers wanted it to be more like Latin. I would be interested to know if these grammar mistakes are so called "common mistakes" meaning areas where there is simply no agreement on what is correct. 
An example:
"He is taller than I." - thought by some people to be correct on the grounds that "I" is the subject of the (implied) verb and should be in the nominative case as in Latin.
"He is taller than me." - thought by some people to be correct on the grounds that from analysis of how English is used, pronouns appear to have a disjunctive form to be used when the pronoun is not directly in front of an explicitly stated verb (as in French when "moi" should be used according to French linguists and French people in general).

Our language, unlike French, is democratic so nobody (except English people in general) has the authority to judge who is right in the above dispute (although many claim to have such authority or to have been informed by someone who has). From your age I'm going to stereotype you and guess that you think only the first example is ok. Many of your clients might disagree especially if they are younger, so they might not think your CEO has bad grammar at all.

It's worth mentioning that the above does not excuse everything - for example mistakes which are only common in specific regions such as London (double negatives), North-West (use of past participle instead of past tense) North-East (the reverse) and so on because we could say that English people in general have judged these things not to be ok. The question is which kind of mistakes is your CEO making?

By the way I wouldn't expect a survey to turn up much useful because clients won't perceive the quality of English in the emails to be a problem for them (and would anyway be embarrassed to mention it). That doesn't mean it doesn't look unprofessional though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occasionally I am asked by students why it&#8217;s necessary to use &#8220;a&#8221; and &#8220;the&#8221; at all. In 2 years of marriage to a Slavic woman (Slavic languages don&#8217;t have &#8220;a&#8221; or &#8220;the&#8221;) there has only been one misunderstanding when she said &#8220;put vodka for my father in bag&#8221; (no that isn&#8217;t made up) and I went to get a new bag from the kitchen instead of putting the vodka in the bag she had already started putting things in. I think it&#8217;s disingenous to say that our negative reaction to bad grammar is simply because the meaning isn&#8217;t clear because that is so rarely the case.</p>
<p>The real issue is that we as the circle of people who are able to use English correctly (or the particular official language in other countries) hold a membership card for the trade union of &#8220;broadly educated people&#8221;. That trade union operates (unconsciously) as a mafia which controls everthing and we members get annoyed when we see non-members doing jobs other than cleaning the floor. We should get annoyed too, considering that our children will one day be card holders regardless of their actual level of educational achievement and will need to have good jobs reserved and waiting, and not open to just literally everyone who has the particular (say) technical expertise as if we lived in some kind of bizarre nightmare meritocracy.</p>
<p>Your clients are likely to be members in most cases so these emails will certainly annoy them. The extent to which this is a problem will depend on your firm. If you have genuinely innovative ideas then it&#8217;s less of a problem. If you are mostly hand-holding and collating the wisdom of others (nothing to be ashamed of as it probably provides more value to your clients than coming up with new things) then it&#8217;s a bigger problem because you can be more easily replaced. If the CEO has made it as a consultant already despite the presentational problem then presumably he has unique skills.</p>
<p>Also I note that you are 62, which means that you studied primary school English at a time when linguists and teachers wanted it to be more like Latin. I would be interested to know if these grammar mistakes are so called &#8220;common mistakes&#8221; meaning areas where there is simply no agreement on what is correct.<br />
An example:<br />
&#8220;He is taller than I.&#8221; - thought by some people to be correct on the grounds that &#8220;I&#8221; is the subject of the (implied) verb and should be in the nominative case as in Latin.<br />
&#8220;He is taller than me.&#8221; - thought by some people to be correct on the grounds that from analysis of how English is used, pronouns appear to have a disjunctive form to be used when the pronoun is not directly in front of an explicitly stated verb (as in French when &#8220;moi&#8221; should be used according to French linguists and French people in general).</p>
<p>Our language, unlike French, is democratic so nobody (except English people in general) has the authority to judge who is right in the above dispute (although many claim to have such authority or to have been informed by someone who has). From your age I&#8217;m going to stereotype you and guess that you think only the first example is ok. Many of your clients might disagree especially if they are younger, so they might not think your CEO has bad grammar at all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth mentioning that the above does not excuse everything - for example mistakes which are only common in specific regions such as London (double negatives), North-West (use of past participle instead of past tense) North-East (the reverse) and so on because we could say that English people in general have judged these things not to be ok. The question is which kind of mistakes is your CEO making?</p>
<p>By the way I wouldn&#8217;t expect a survey to turn up much useful because clients won&#8217;t perceive the quality of English in the emails to be a problem for them (and would anyway be embarrassed to mention it). That doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t look unprofessional though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do I tell my MBA-grad executive that he is not sufficiently literate? by jin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ft.com/dearlucy/2008/05/how-do-i-tell-my-mba-grad-executive-that-he-is-not-sufficiently-literate/#comment-2102</link>
		<dc:creator>jin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although my english is poor, I will try some subtle method. Since you have read his email to clients, you can also cc your emails to him.  Try to use the same or better sentences with correct grammer and spelling. See if he can realize his mistakes. If not, then go with the direct way to tell him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although my english is poor, I will try some subtle method. Since you have read his email to clients, you can also cc your emails to him.  Try to use the same or better sentences with correct grammer and spelling. See if he can realize his mistakes. If not, then go with the direct way to tell him.</p>
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