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February 15, 2008

More on returns to education for victims of discrimination

Yesterday I reported on Bryan Caplan’s thoughtful criticisms of chapter six of The Logic of Life. One of the things that worried me most in that chapter is the possibility that employers don’t value qualifications or experience of minority groups, which in turn means that the victims rationally invest less in education and work experience, which in turn feeds statistical discrimination.
Bryan is quite right to point out that there is nothing inevitable about this. It might well be that a victim of discrimination had a higher return to education, not a lower one. I argue that this is true for women and that is a likely explanation of the fact that women tend to be better educated than men. Bryan thinks the same story is true for African-Americans:

I tested these claims using one of the world’s best labor data sets, the NLSY. The results directly contradict Tim’s self-fulfilling prophesy story. Blacks actually get a substantially larger return to education than non-blacks! The same goes for experience, though the result is not statistically significant. The real lesson of the data is that if you are young, gifted, and black, you should get a ton of education, because it has an exceptionally large pay-off.

Bryan is very smart so I take that claim seriously. But it’s informal work, not published in a journal. Bryan says he will tell us more, and I’ll look forward to that. I set it against the results of a large (n=5000) randomised audit trial from Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan, who find that qualifications and experience on an apparently-black CV do not result in a higher chance of being invited to interview. Qualifications and experience on an apparently-white CV, of course, substantially improve those chances.
Let’s recognise the limitations of that trial. It is just one experiment, and focuses on employers only in Boston and Chicago. It’s also true that a distinctively black name may indicate something about social class as well as race. And I admit that an interview call-back is not the same thing as a job. But I still find a randomised trial awfully persuasive even when set against peer-reviewed econometrics, let alone Bryan’s informal analysis.

One commenter (at Bryan’s blog, EconLog), writes:

Bryan, this is a good post, but you need to cite your sources…If this isn’t published, Hartford [Harford, please - TH] can’t be faulted.

I wouldn’t put it quite that way. Bryan can be unpublished but right. I can still be wrong even if I “can’t be faulted”. For now, I think Bryan’s critique is powerful but unproven.

For CV-audit junkies, this paper by Judith Rich and Peter Riach is well worth a read: shows discrimination in favour of men in a traditionally-male occupation (engineering) and in favour of women in both traditionally-female and mixed occupations. All the firms surveyed are based in England.

Update: Bryan links to further research supporting his calculations.

8 Responses to “More on returns to education for victims of discrimination”

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  1. I think you and Brian are looking at two different effects. Why can’t it be possible for the returns on education for discriminated-against groups be higher AND still be discriminated-against.

    Say we hire 50% of Uneducated Luvables and 60% of Educated Luvables and 40% of Uneducated Lamers and 55% of Educated Lamers. Then you are both right.

    Posted by: Foolish Jordan | February 15th, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Report this comment
  2. Jordan,
    I see your point, but the Bertrand-Mullainathan study specifically found that the return to qualifications and experience on an apparently-black CV seemed to be zero, whereas it was high on an apparently-white CV.
    Cheers,
    Tim

    Posted by: Tim Harford | February 15th, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Report this comment
  3. The other drawback to Caplan using an unpublished model is that we don’t know the details of the model he used.

    If there was a lot of statistical discrimination against blacks, I would suspect that it would be going on in mid management. In the more visible positions at the top of the income distribution there is probably a strong demand for skilled and educated blacks.

    Maybe there is a good return to a post grad-degree but not much of one for a four year degree.

    Posted by: green apron monkey | February 16th, 2008 at 5:12 am | Report this comment
  4. Didn’t the whole test simply reduce to a screening problem? Employers were responding to incentives to reduce their time cost.

    Posted by: Mike Fladlien | February 17th, 2008 at 8:55 pm | Report this comment
  5. My thought was that Bryan’s work looked more at the value of education once you actually get hired. In that case, you could both be right.

    Love your books btw. Have my 14 y/o reading them.

    Steve

    Posted by: steve | February 18th, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Report this comment
  6. You may not have seend the follow-up from Byran with the details:

    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2008/02/regressions_by.html

    Posted by: Sharper | February 19th, 2008 at 12:58 am | Report this comment
  7. seend = seen

    Darn typos. :)

    Posted by: Sharper | February 19th, 2008 at 12:59 am | Report this comment
  8. A study in France performed by the Administration (Labor secretary / Ministere du Travail) seems to confirm Bertrand & Mullainathan’s study.

    It was carried out under ILO’s scrutiny.

    http://www.travail-solidarite.gouv.fr/etudes-recherche-statistiques-dares/etudes-recherche/publications-dares/premieres-informations-premieres-syntheses/2008-063-discriminations-embauche-fondees-sur-origine-encontre-jeunes-francais-es-peu-qualifie-e-s-une-enquete-nationale-par-tests-discrimination-testing-7297.html

    Posted by: Guillaume ARNOULD | February 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Report this comment

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